http://fileformats.archiveteam.org/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=Edsu&feedformat=atomJust Solve the File Format Problem - User contributions [en]2024-03-29T12:11:55ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.19.2http://fileformats.archiveteam.org/wiki/Bibliographic_dataBibliographic data2012-11-02T23:51:57Z<p>Edsu: added some usual suspects</p>
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<div>{|<br />
|[[File Formats]]<br />
| ><br />
|[[Electronic File Formats]]<br />
| ><br />
|Bibliographic Data<br />
|}<br />
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Formats specific to the storage and transmission of bibliographic data, finding aids and reference lists.<br />
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* [[bib]] (BibTeX files)<br />
* [[EAD]] (Encoded Archival Data, for archival finding aids)<br />
* [[enl]] (EndNote file format)<br />
* [[MARC]]<br />
* [[MARCXML]]<br />
* [[MODS]]<br />
* [[ONIX]]</div>Edsuhttp://fileformats.archiveteam.org/wiki/DocumentDocument2012-11-02T23:47:56Z<p>Edsu: /* Markup */</p>
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<div>{|<br />
|[[File Formats]]<br />
| ><br />
|[[Electronic File Formats]]<br />
| ><br />
|Document<br />
|}<br />
<br />
== Markup ==<br />
* [[HTML]] (HyperText Markup Language)<br />
* [[Markdown]] <br />
* [[SGML]] (Standard Generalised Markup Format)<br />
* [[TEI]] (Specialised dialect of SGML)<br />
* [[TEX]] (TeX)<br />
* [[XHTML]] (Extensible HTML)<br />
* [[XML]]<br />
<br />
== Presentation ==<br />
* [[ODP]] (OpenDocument presentation)<br />
* [[PPT]] (PowerPoint presentation)<br />
* [[PPTX]] PowerPoint presentation, XML format)<br />
<br />
== Spreadsheet ==<br />
* [[ODS]] (OpenDocument spreadsheet)<br />
* [[XLS]] (Excel spreadsheet format)<br />
* [[XLSX]] (Excel spreadsheet format, XML version)<br />
<br />
== Word Processor ==<br />
* [[ABW]] (Abiword word processor)<br />
* [[DOC]] (Word document)<br />
* [[DOCX]] (Word document, XML format)<br />
* [[DOT]] (Word template)<br />
* [[DOTX]] (Word template, XML format)<br />
* [[TechWriter|EasiWriter]] (Word processor file format)<br />
* [[ODT]]<br />
* [[OTT]]<br />
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== Other ==<br />
* [[602]]<br />
* [[ACL]]<br />
* [[AFP]]<br />
* [[ANS]]<br />
* [[ASC]]<br />
* [[AWW]]<br />
* [[AZW]]<br />
* [[CCF]]<br />
* [[CSV]]<br />
* [[CWK]]<br />
* [[DJVU]]<br />
* [[DOX]] (Mutimate document, and others)<br />
* [[EGT]]<br />
* [[EPUB]]<br />
* [[FDX]]<br />
* [[FTM]]<br />
* [[FTX]]<br />
* [[GM6]] (Game Maker 6 source)<br />
* [[GMK]] (Game Maker 7-8 source)<br />
* [[HWP]]<br />
* [[HWPML]]<br />
* [[Impression]] (Desktop Publishing file format)<br />
* [[LWP]]<br />
* [[MBP]]<br />
* [[MCW]]<br />
* [[MOBI]]<br />
* [[NB]]<br />
* [[NBP]]<br />
* [[ODM]]<br />
* [[OMM]]<br />
* [[PAGES]]<br />
* [[PAP]]<br />
* [[PAT]] (Multimate document, and many others)<br />
* [[PDAX]]<br />
* [[PDF]] (Portable Document Format)<br />
* [[QUOX]]<br />
* [[RTF]] (Rich Text Format)<br />
* [[RTFD]] (Rich Text Format Directory)<br />
* [[RPT]]<br />
* [[scriv]] (Scrivener document format)<br />
* [[SDW]]<br />
* [[STW]]<br />
* [[SXW]]<br />
* [[TechWriter]] (Scientific word processor file format)<br />
* [[TXT]] (Un-structured text document)<br />
* [[UOF]]<br />
* [[UOML]]<br />
* [[VIA]]<br />
* [[WPD]]<br />
* [[WPS]]<br />
* [[WPT]]<br />
* [[WRD]]<br />
* [[WRF]]<br />
* [[WRI]]<br />
* [[XPS]]</div>Edsuhttp://fileformats.archiveteam.org/wiki/Template_talk:FormatInfoTemplate talk:FormatInfo2012-11-01T22:59:04Z<p>Edsu: /* PROPOSAL: Two Info Boxes Are Better Than One */</p>
<hr />
<div>About [[Template:FormatInfo]]...<br />
<br />
e.g. Should it be called ElectronicFormatInfo to avoid confusion?<br />
<br />
: Conditional logic has been added to the template; all parameters are now optional. The link to IANA has been moved to [[Template:Mimetype]]. And why is this discussion not taking place at [[Template talk:FormatInfo]]? [[User:Gphemsley|Gphemsley]] ([[User talk:Gphemsley|talk]]) 09:14, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks! [[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 13:34, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
:: +1 for moving the conversation to [[Template_talk:FormatInfo]] [[User:Edsu|Edsu]] ([[User talk:Edsu|talk]]) 14:31, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
::: Done. [[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 17:01, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== What properties should be included? ==<br />
<br />
Here are list of sources of properties we could consider including:<br />
<br />
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_file_format Wikipedia Infobox_file_format template]<br />
* [http://test.linkeddatapronom.nationalarchives.gov.uk/vocabulary/pronom-vocabulary.htm PRONOM Vocabulary]<br />
* [http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/formats/sustain/sustain.shtml LoC sustainability factors], e.g. [http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/formats/fdd/fdd000020.shtml here's the page for SVG 1.1].<br />
* [http://publik.tuwien.ac.at/files/PubDat_203319.pdf Decision Criteria in Digital Preservation: What to Measure and How]<br />
* [http://www.ifs.tuwien.ac.at/~becker/pubs/hamm_ipres2011.pdf Impact Assessment of Decision Criteria in Preservation Planning]<br />
<br />
Please add more if you know of them. However, as I've said before, I think massively complex models are dangerous unless the need for a machine-readable version of the information is clear. There's no point spending vast amounts of time marking un minutiae that are better served by prose.<br />
[[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 13:44, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Question 1 from CR: Is there a way to add signature information to your InfoBox style?<br />
: Easy enough to add a field, although I'm uncertain as to how useful it is. Much more information is needed to actually perform identification, and IMO this is much easier to manage in source code rather than. However, I'd be happy to add the field, with the proviso that I would prefer it to reflect what the specs say the magic is, rather than try to be complete enough to drive identification. [[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 15:15, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Question 2 from CR: How do we best reflect similar and different information for different versions?<br />
: I think we should just repeat the information. If this becomes onerous, we could look at adding a convention so that, when machine-read, 'child formats' inherited properties from 'parent formats'. Not aware of any clever MediaWiki trick to avoid this. [[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 15:15, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
(Sorry, I don't really know how I'm supposed to do "Talk" in this context! - CR)<br />
<br />
: To use talk in this context, put a colon (:) before your sentence and then type, ultimately clicking on that second-from-the-right button that looks like a signature. If you're responding to a sentence with a colon in front of it, put two, a la ::. Regarding the infobox, I really feel there's some really hardcore well-made infoboxes out there, and it would behoove you to go and research those instead of re-inventing the wheel. --[[User:Jason Scott|Jason Scott]] ([[User talk:Jason Scott|talk]]) 03:36, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
:: Do we really need a hardcore infobox (they can get quite complicated), when something simple like what Andy is proposing would be a good way to get started? If so could you point at an example of one you particularly like? [[User:Edsu|Edsu]] ([[User talk:Edsu|talk]]) 08:13, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
:: I'll certainly be leaning on existing models, but I want to be careful about including everything as it may get in the way of contribution and, frankly, much of it is too ambiguous to be modelled directly and is better suited to prose/discussion. [[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 13:34, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
: I added a PRONOM option to the template. But perhaps it belongs in a separate template, like what Wikipedia does with its [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Authority_control Authority Control template]? The advantage to doing it separately is that it wouldn't clutter up the actual pertinent information with weird IDs and links, which could be located at the bottom of the page instead?<br />
:: I have an idea about that - [[#PROPOSAL:_Two_Info_Boxes_Are_Better_Than_One|see below...]] [[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 13:34, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
<br />
== PROPOSAL: Two Info Boxes Are Better Than One ==<br />
<br />
To avoid the more complex and fine-grained models getting in the way of contribution and readability, I propose we have two 'infoboxes':<br />
<br />
* A short, simple one for 'basic information' (e.g. other identifiers like file extension, really simple stuff that most formats can be expected to have), which should always be there and is included at the top of the page.<br />
* A longer, complex one for the details (e.g. licensing, PUIDs, etc.) that goes into a table at the bottom of the page.<br />
<br />
Any field that is considered of interest can go in the longer one. Only critical discovery information goes in the short one. It should also look better than stuffing everything into one long thin box.<br />
<br />
What do you think? <br />
[[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 13:39, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:I like the idea of having FormatInfo be for the essentials, and then a second one FormatLinks? for identifier driven links to PRONOM, UDFR, etc. [[User:Edsu|Edsu]] ([[User talk:Edsu|talk]]) 14:35, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
:: I'm rather less keen on this - I want to include interesting details about the format that may not be links, and I'm not sure why the 'datatype' of some of the information (hyperlink versus text-field, or enumeration, or whatever) should be enshrined in the template name. Is there an advantage to having a template that only includes links? What if some of the FormatInfo essentials are links? [[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 15:31, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
::: Ok perhaps it's better just to have one template, and split things out when it gets too cumbersome. I don't think we're there yet.</div>Edsuhttp://fileformats.archiveteam.org/wiki/User_talk:AndyJackson/CIFUser talk:AndyJackson/CIF2012-11-01T14:35:44Z<p>Edsu: /* PROPOSAL: Two Info Boxes Are Better Than One */</p>
<hr />
<div>About [[Template:FormatInfo]]...<br />
<br />
e.g. What fields are missing? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_file_format for ideas, but note that so many fields may be overkill.<br />
<br />
e.g. Should it be called ElectronicFormatInfo to avoid confusion?<br />
<br />
Question 1 from CR: Is there a way to add signature information to your InfoBox style?<br />
<br />
Question 2 from CR: How do we best reflect similar and different information for different versions?<br />
<br />
(Sorry, I don't really know how I'm supposed to do "Talk" in this context! - CR)<br />
<br />
: To use talk in this context, put a colon (:) before your sentence and then type, ultimately clicking on that second-from-the-right button that looks like a signature. If you're responding to a sentence with a colon in front of it, put two, a la ::. Regarding the infobox, I really feel there's some really hardcore well-made infoboxes out there, and it would behoove you to go and research those instead of re-inventing the wheel. --[[User:Jason Scott|Jason Scott]] ([[User talk:Jason Scott|talk]]) 03:36, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
:: Do we really need a hardcore infobox (they can get quite complicated), when something simple like what Andy is proposing would be a good way to get started? If so could you point at an example of one you particularly like? [[User:Edsu|Edsu]] ([[User talk:Edsu|talk]]) 08:13, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
:: I'll certainly be leaning on existing models, but I want to be careful about including everything as it may get in the way of contribution and, frankly, much of it is too ambiguous to be modelled directly and is better suited to prose/discussion. [[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 13:34, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
: I added a PRONOM option to the template. But perhaps it belongs in a separate template, like what Wikipedia does with its [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Authority_control Authority Control template]? The advantage to doing it separately is that it wouldn't clutter up the actual pertinent information with weird IDs and links, which could be located at the bottom of the page instead?<br />
:: I have an idea about that - [[#PROPOSAL:_Two_Info_Boxes_Are_Better_Than_One|see below...]] [[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 13:34, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
: Conditional logic has been added to the template; all parameters are now optional. The link to IANA has been moved to [[Template:Mimetype]]. And why is this discussion not taking place at [[Template talk:FormatInfo]]? [[User:Gphemsley|Gphemsley]] ([[User talk:Gphemsley|talk]]) 09:14, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks! [[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 13:34, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
:: +1 for moving the conversation to [[Template_talk:FormatInfo]] [[User:Edsu|Edsu]] ([[User talk:Edsu|talk]]) 14:31, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== What properties should be included? ==<br />
<br />
Here are list of sources of properties we could consider including:<br />
<br />
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_file_format Wikipedia Infobox_file_format template]<br />
* [http://test.linkeddatapronom.nationalarchives.gov.uk/vocabulary/pronom-vocabulary.htm PRONOM Vocabulary]<br />
* [http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/formats/sustain/sustain.shtml LoC sustainability factors], e.g. [http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/formats/fdd/fdd000020.shtml here's the page for SVG 1.1].<br />
* [http://publik.tuwien.ac.at/files/PubDat_203319.pdf Decision Criteria in Digital Preservation: What to Measure and How]<br />
* [http://www.ifs.tuwien.ac.at/~becker/pubs/hamm_ipres2011.pdf Impact Assessment of Decision Criteria in Preservation Planning]<br />
<br />
Please add more if you know of them. However, as I've said before, I think massively complex models are dangerous unless the need for a machine-readable version of the information is clear. There's no point spending vast amounts of time marking un minutiae that are better served by prose.<br />
[[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 13:44, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== PROPOSAL: Two Info Boxes Are Better Than One ==<br />
<br />
To avoid the more complex and fine-grained models getting in the way of contribution and readability, I propose we have two 'infoboxes':<br />
<br />
* A short, simple one for 'basic information' (e.g. other identifiers like file extension, really simple stuff that most formats can be expected to have), which should always be there and is included at the top of the page.<br />
* A longer, complex one for the details (e.g. licensing, PUIDs, etc.) that goes into a table at the bottom of the page.<br />
<br />
Any field that is considered of interest can go in the longer one. Only critical discovery information goes in the short one. It should also look better than stuffing everything into one long thin box.<br />
<br />
What do you think? <br />
[[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 13:39, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:I like the idea of having FormatInfo be for the essentials, and then a second one FormatLinks? for identifier driven links to PRONOM, UDFR, etc. [[User:Edsu|Edsu]] ([[User talk:Edsu|talk]]) 14:35, 1 November 2012 (UTC)</div>Edsuhttp://fileformats.archiveteam.org/wiki/User_talk:AndyJackson/CIFUser talk:AndyJackson/CIF2012-11-01T14:35:34Z<p>Edsu: /* PROPOSAL: Two Info Boxes Are Better Than One */</p>
<hr />
<div>About [[Template:FormatInfo]]...<br />
<br />
e.g. What fields are missing? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_file_format for ideas, but note that so many fields may be overkill.<br />
<br />
e.g. Should it be called ElectronicFormatInfo to avoid confusion?<br />
<br />
Question 1 from CR: Is there a way to add signature information to your InfoBox style?<br />
<br />
Question 2 from CR: How do we best reflect similar and different information for different versions?<br />
<br />
(Sorry, I don't really know how I'm supposed to do "Talk" in this context! - CR)<br />
<br />
: To use talk in this context, put a colon (:) before your sentence and then type, ultimately clicking on that second-from-the-right button that looks like a signature. If you're responding to a sentence with a colon in front of it, put two, a la ::. Regarding the infobox, I really feel there's some really hardcore well-made infoboxes out there, and it would behoove you to go and research those instead of re-inventing the wheel. --[[User:Jason Scott|Jason Scott]] ([[User talk:Jason Scott|talk]]) 03:36, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
:: Do we really need a hardcore infobox (they can get quite complicated), when something simple like what Andy is proposing would be a good way to get started? If so could you point at an example of one you particularly like? [[User:Edsu|Edsu]] ([[User talk:Edsu|talk]]) 08:13, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
:: I'll certainly be leaning on existing models, but I want to be careful about including everything as it may get in the way of contribution and, frankly, much of it is too ambiguous to be modelled directly and is better suited to prose/discussion. [[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 13:34, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
: I added a PRONOM option to the template. But perhaps it belongs in a separate template, like what Wikipedia does with its [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Authority_control Authority Control template]? The advantage to doing it separately is that it wouldn't clutter up the actual pertinent information with weird IDs and links, which could be located at the bottom of the page instead?<br />
:: I have an idea about that - [[#PROPOSAL:_Two_Info_Boxes_Are_Better_Than_One|see below...]] [[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 13:34, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
: Conditional logic has been added to the template; all parameters are now optional. The link to IANA has been moved to [[Template:Mimetype]]. And why is this discussion not taking place at [[Template talk:FormatInfo]]? [[User:Gphemsley|Gphemsley]] ([[User talk:Gphemsley|talk]]) 09:14, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks! [[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 13:34, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
:: +1 for moving the conversation to [[Template_talk:FormatInfo]] [[User:Edsu|Edsu]] ([[User talk:Edsu|talk]]) 14:31, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== What properties should be included? ==<br />
<br />
Here are list of sources of properties we could consider including:<br />
<br />
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_file_format Wikipedia Infobox_file_format template]<br />
* [http://test.linkeddatapronom.nationalarchives.gov.uk/vocabulary/pronom-vocabulary.htm PRONOM Vocabulary]<br />
* [http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/formats/sustain/sustain.shtml LoC sustainability factors], e.g. [http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/formats/fdd/fdd000020.shtml here's the page for SVG 1.1].<br />
* [http://publik.tuwien.ac.at/files/PubDat_203319.pdf Decision Criteria in Digital Preservation: What to Measure and How]<br />
* [http://www.ifs.tuwien.ac.at/~becker/pubs/hamm_ipres2011.pdf Impact Assessment of Decision Criteria in Preservation Planning]<br />
<br />
Please add more if you know of them. However, as I've said before, I think massively complex models are dangerous unless the need for a machine-readable version of the information is clear. There's no point spending vast amounts of time marking un minutiae that are better served by prose.<br />
[[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 13:44, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== PROPOSAL: Two Info Boxes Are Better Than One ==<br />
<br />
To avoid the more complex and fine-grained models getting in the way of contribution and readability, I propose we have two 'infoboxes':<br />
<br />
* A short, simple one for 'basic information' (e.g. other identifiers like file extension, really simple stuff that most formats can be expected to have), which should always be there and is included at the top of the page.<br />
* A longer, complex one for the details (e.g. licensing, PUIDs, etc.) that goes into a table at the bottom of the page.<br />
<br />
Any field that is considered of interest can go in the longer one. Only critical discovery information goes in the short one. It should also look better than stuffing everything into one long thin box.<br />
<br />
What do you think? <br />
[[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 13:39, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:I like the idea of having FormatInfo be for the essentials, and then a second one FormatLinks? for identifier driven links to PRONOM, UDFR, etc.</div>Edsuhttp://fileformats.archiveteam.org/wiki/User_talk:AndyJackson/CIFUser talk:AndyJackson/CIF2012-11-01T14:31:14Z<p>Edsu: </p>
<hr />
<div>About [[Template:FormatInfo]]...<br />
<br />
e.g. What fields are missing? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_file_format for ideas, but note that so many fields may be overkill.<br />
<br />
e.g. Should it be called ElectronicFormatInfo to avoid confusion?<br />
<br />
Question 1 from CR: Is there a way to add signature information to your InfoBox style?<br />
<br />
Question 2 from CR: How do we best reflect similar and different information for different versions?<br />
<br />
(Sorry, I don't really know how I'm supposed to do "Talk" in this context! - CR)<br />
<br />
: To use talk in this context, put a colon (:) before your sentence and then type, ultimately clicking on that second-from-the-right button that looks like a signature. If you're responding to a sentence with a colon in front of it, put two, a la ::. Regarding the infobox, I really feel there's some really hardcore well-made infoboxes out there, and it would behoove you to go and research those instead of re-inventing the wheel. --[[User:Jason Scott|Jason Scott]] ([[User talk:Jason Scott|talk]]) 03:36, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
:: Do we really need a hardcore infobox (they can get quite complicated), when something simple like what Andy is proposing would be a good way to get started? If so could you point at an example of one you particularly like? [[User:Edsu|Edsu]] ([[User talk:Edsu|talk]]) 08:13, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
:: I'll certainly be leaning on existing models, but I want to be careful about including everything as it may get in the way of contribution and, frankly, much of it is too ambiguous to be modelled directly and is better suited to prose/discussion. [[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 13:34, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
: I added a PRONOM option to the template. But perhaps it belongs in a separate template, like what Wikipedia does with its [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Authority_control Authority Control template]? The advantage to doing it separately is that it wouldn't clutter up the actual pertinent information with weird IDs and links, which could be located at the bottom of the page instead?<br />
:: I have an idea about that - [[#PROPOSAL:_Two_Info_Boxes_Are_Better_Than_One|see below...]] [[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 13:34, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
: Conditional logic has been added to the template; all parameters are now optional. The link to IANA has been moved to [[Template:Mimetype]]. And why is this discussion not taking place at [[Template talk:FormatInfo]]? [[User:Gphemsley|Gphemsley]] ([[User talk:Gphemsley|talk]]) 09:14, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks! [[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 13:34, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
:: +1 for moving the conversation to [[Template_talk:FormatInfo]] [[User:Edsu|Edsu]] ([[User talk:Edsu|talk]]) 14:31, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== What properties should be included? ==<br />
<br />
Here are list of sources of properties we could consider including:<br />
<br />
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_file_format Wikipedia Infobox_file_format template]<br />
* [http://test.linkeddatapronom.nationalarchives.gov.uk/vocabulary/pronom-vocabulary.htm PRONOM Vocabulary]<br />
* [http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/formats/sustain/sustain.shtml LoC sustainability factors], e.g. [http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/formats/fdd/fdd000020.shtml here's the page for SVG 1.1].<br />
* [http://publik.tuwien.ac.at/files/PubDat_203319.pdf Decision Criteria in Digital Preservation: What to Measure and How]<br />
* [http://www.ifs.tuwien.ac.at/~becker/pubs/hamm_ipres2011.pdf Impact Assessment of Decision Criteria in Preservation Planning]<br />
<br />
Please add more if you know of them. However, as I've said before, I think massively complex models are dangerous unless the need for a machine-readable version of the information is clear. There's no point spending vast amounts of time marking un minutiae that are better served by prose.<br />
[[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 13:44, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== PROPOSAL: Two Info Boxes Are Better Than One ==<br />
<br />
To avoid the more complex and fine-grained models getting in the way of contribution and readability, I propose we have two 'infoboxes':<br />
<br />
* A short, simple one for 'basic information' (e.g. other identifiers like file extension, really simple stuff that most formats can be expected to have), which should always be there and is included at the top of the page.<br />
* A longer, complex one for the details (e.g. licensing, PUIDs, etc.) that goes into a table at the bottom of the page.<br />
<br />
Any field that is considered of interest can go in the longer one. Only critical discovery information goes in the short one. It should also look better than stuffing everything into one long thin box.<br />
<br />
What do you think? <br />
[[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 13:39, 1 November 2012 (UTC)</div>Edsuhttp://fileformats.archiveteam.org/wiki/User_talk:AndyJackson/CIFUser talk:AndyJackson/CIF2012-11-01T14:30:50Z<p>Edsu: move convo</p>
<hr />
<div>About [[Template:FormatInfo]]...<br />
<br />
e.g. What fields are missing? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_file_format for ideas, but note that so many fields may be overkill.<br />
<br />
e.g. Should it be called ElectronicFormatInfo to avoid confusion?<br />
<br />
Question 1 from CR: Is there a way to add signature information to your InfoBox style?<br />
<br />
Question 2 from CR: How do we best reflect similar and different information for different versions?<br />
<br />
(Sorry, I don't really know how I'm supposed to do "Talk" in this context! - CR)<br />
<br />
: To use talk in this context, put a colon (:) before your sentence and then type, ultimately clicking on that second-from-the-right button that looks like a signature. If you're responding to a sentence with a colon in front of it, put two, a la ::. Regarding the infobox, I really feel there's some really hardcore well-made infoboxes out there, and it would behoove you to go and research those instead of re-inventing the wheel. --[[User:Jason Scott|Jason Scott]] ([[User talk:Jason Scott|talk]]) 03:36, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
:: Do we really need a hardcore infobox (they can get quite complicated), when something simple like what Andy is proposing would be a good way to get started? If so could you point at an example of one you particularly like? [[User:Edsu|Edsu]] ([[User talk:Edsu|talk]]) 08:13, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
:: I'll certainly be leaning on existing models, but I want to be careful about including everything as it may get in the way of contribution and, frankly, much of it is too ambiguous to be modelled directly and is better suited to prose/discussion. [[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 13:34, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
: I added a PRONOM option to the template. But perhaps it belongs in a separate template, like what Wikipedia does with its [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Authority_control Authority Control template]? The advantage to doing it separately is that it wouldn't clutter up the actual pertinent information with weird IDs and links, which could be located at the bottom of the page instead?<br />
:: I have an idea about that - [[#PROPOSAL:_Two_Info_Boxes_Are_Better_Than_One|see below...]] [[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 13:34, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
: Conditional logic has been added to the template; all parameters are now optional. The link to IANA has been moved to [[Template:Mimetype]]. And why is this discussion not taking place at [[Template talk:FormatInfo]]? [[User:Gphemsley|Gphemsley]] ([[User talk:Gphemsley|talk]]) 09:14, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
:: Thanks! [[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 13:34, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
:: +1 for moving the conversation to [[Template_talk:FormatInfo]]<br />
<br />
== What properties should be included? ==<br />
<br />
Here are list of sources of properties we could consider including:<br />
<br />
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_file_format Wikipedia Infobox_file_format template]<br />
* [http://test.linkeddatapronom.nationalarchives.gov.uk/vocabulary/pronom-vocabulary.htm PRONOM Vocabulary]<br />
* [http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/formats/sustain/sustain.shtml LoC sustainability factors], e.g. [http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/formats/fdd/fdd000020.shtml here's the page for SVG 1.1].<br />
* [http://publik.tuwien.ac.at/files/PubDat_203319.pdf Decision Criteria in Digital Preservation: What to Measure and How]<br />
* [http://www.ifs.tuwien.ac.at/~becker/pubs/hamm_ipres2011.pdf Impact Assessment of Decision Criteria in Preservation Planning]<br />
<br />
Please add more if you know of them. However, as I've said before, I think massively complex models are dangerous unless the need for a machine-readable version of the information is clear. There's no point spending vast amounts of time marking un minutiae that are better served by prose.<br />
[[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 13:44, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== PROPOSAL: Two Info Boxes Are Better Than One ==<br />
<br />
To avoid the more complex and fine-grained models getting in the way of contribution and readability, I propose we have two 'infoboxes':<br />
<br />
* A short, simple one for 'basic information' (e.g. other identifiers like file extension, really simple stuff that most formats can be expected to have), which should always be there and is included at the top of the page.<br />
* A longer, complex one for the details (e.g. licensing, PUIDs, etc.) that goes into a table at the bottom of the page.<br />
<br />
Any field that is considered of interest can go in the longer one. Only critical discovery information goes in the short one. It should also look better than stuffing everything into one long thin box.<br />
<br />
What do you think? <br />
[[User:AndyJackson|AndyJackson]] ([[User talk:AndyJackson|talk]]) 13:39, 1 November 2012 (UTC)</div>Edsuhttp://fileformats.archiveteam.org/wiki/Just_Solve_the_File_Format_Problem:Community_portalJust Solve the File Format Problem:Community portal2012-11-01T14:27:11Z<p>Edsu: </p>
<hr />
<div>= Issues =<br />
<br />
Below is a list of "issues" which would ordinarily be in a ticketing system of some kind, but are here on the Wiki instead, because that's how we roll. When things are resolved feel free to remove or strike out the issue.<br />
<br />
=== Time zone setting ===<br />
<br />
OK, to get this community portal going... is this the place to report issues with the wiki server configuration? Anyway, its time-zone setting seems to be a bit odd. It's set (apparently) to UTC + 4 hours (somewhere in Asia?), but it thinks it's in UTC, so if you set up your user configuration to adjust it to your local time zone, it ends up 4 hours off. I had to use "-08:00" to get my current EDT time. (That will change by one hour in a week or two when Daylight Saving Time ends.) [[User:Dan Tobias|Dan Tobias]] ([[User talk:Dan Tobias|talk]]) 22:23, 28 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
=== index.php ===<br />
<br />
The Wiki is obviously working (yay), but it would be nice if the MediaWiki .htaccess file was [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/Apache adjusted] so that the index.php disappears from wiki URLs.<br />
<br />
=== Licensing ===<br />
<br />
I'm not lawyer but I don't think declaring the content here Public Domain (US) as discussed in the [[FAQ]] will have desirable consequences outside the United States. It's been my experience working with datasets published by the US federal government that people outside the US are uncertain about whether or not they can use the data. I think using CC0 would be preferable to just saying Public Domain, if you really want to encourage reuse. [[User:Edsu|Edsu]] ([[User talk:Edsu|talk]]) 14:26, 1 November 2012 (UTC)</div>Edsuhttp://fileformats.archiveteam.org/wiki/Just_Solve_the_File_Format_Problem:Community_portalJust Solve the File Format Problem:Community portal2012-11-01T14:26:34Z<p>Edsu: added question about Licensing</p>
<hr />
<div>= Issues =<br />
<br />
Below is a list of "issues" which would ordinarily be in a ticketing system of some kind, but are here on the Wiki instead, because that's how we roll. When things are resolved feel free to remove or strike out the issue.<br />
<br />
== Time zone setting ==<br />
<br />
OK, to get this community portal going... is this the place to report issues with the wiki server configuration? Anyway, its time-zone setting seems to be a bit odd. It's set (apparently) to UTC + 4 hours (somewhere in Asia?), but it thinks it's in UTC, so if you set up your user configuration to adjust it to your local time zone, it ends up 4 hours off. I had to use "-08:00" to get my current EDT time. (That will change by one hour in a week or two when Daylight Saving Time ends.) [[User:Dan Tobias|Dan Tobias]] ([[User talk:Dan Tobias|talk]]) 22:23, 28 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== index.php ==<br />
<br />
The Wiki is obviously working (yay), but it would be nice if the MediaWiki .htaccess file was [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/Apache adjusted] so that the index.php disappears from wiki URLs.<br />
<br />
== Licensing ==<br />
<br />
I'm not lawyer but I don't think declaring the content here Public Domain (US) as discussed in the [[FAQ]] will have desirable consequences outside the United States. It's been my experience working with datasets published by the US federal government that people outside the US are uncertain about whether or not they can use the data. I think using CC0 would be preferable to just saying Public Domain, if you really want to encourage reuse. [[User:Edsu|Edsu]] ([[User talk:Edsu|talk]]) 14:26, 1 November 2012 (UTC)</div>Edsuhttp://fileformats.archiveteam.org/wiki/User_talk:AndyJackson/CIFUser talk:AndyJackson/CIF2012-11-01T08:46:08Z<p>Edsu: mention addition of pronom id</p>
<hr />
<div>About [[Template:FormatInfo]]...<br />
<br />
e.g. What fields are missing? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_file_format for ideas, but note that so many fields may be overkill.<br />
<br />
e.g. Should it be called ElectronicFormatInfo to avoid confusion?<br />
<br />
TODO<br />
* Add conditional logic so empty fields don't show up.<br />
* Probably remove direct link to IANA.<br />
<br />
Question 1 from CR: Is there a way to add signature information to your InfoBox style?<br />
<br />
Question 2 from CR: How do we best reflect similar and different information for different versions?<br />
<br />
(Sorry, I don't really know how I'm supposed to do "Talk" in this context! - CR)<br />
<br />
: To use talk in this context, put a colon (:) before your sentence and then type, ultimately clicking on that second-from-the-right button that looks like a signature. If you're responding to a sentence with a colon in front of it, put two, a la ::. Regarding the infobox, I really feel there's some really hardcore well-made infoboxes out there, and it would behoove you to go and research those instead of re-inventing the wheel. --[[User:Jason Scott|Jason Scott]] ([[User talk:Jason Scott|talk]]) 03:36, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
:: Do we really need a hardcore infobox (they can get quite complicated), when something simple like what Andy is proposing would be a good way to get started? If so could you point at an example of one you particularly like? [[User:Edsu|Edsu]] ([[User talk:Edsu|talk]]) 08:13, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
: I added a PRONOM option to the template. But perhaps it belongs in a separate template, like what Wikipedia does with its [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Authority_control Authority Control template]? The advantage to doing it separately is that it wouldn't clutter up the actual pertinent information with weird IDs and links, which could be located at the bottom of the page instead?</div>Edsuhttp://fileformats.archiveteam.org/wiki/User_talk:AndyJackson/CIFUser talk:AndyJackson/CIF2012-11-01T08:37:15Z<p>Edsu: </p>
<hr />
<div>About [[Template:FormatInfo]]...<br />
<br />
e.g. What fields are missing? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_file_format for ideas, but note that so many fields may be overkill.<br />
<br />
e.g. Should it be called ElectronicFormatInfo to avoid confusion?<br />
<br />
TODO<br />
* Add conditional logic so empty fields don't show up.<br />
* Probably remove direct link to IANA.<br />
<br />
Question 1 from CR: Is there a way to add signature information to your InfoBox style?<br />
<br />
Question 2 from CR: How do we best reflect similar and different information for different versions?<br />
<br />
(Sorry, I don't really know how I'm supposed to do "Talk" in this context! - CR)<br />
<br />
: To use talk in this context, put a colon (:) before your sentence and then type, ultimately clicking on that second-from-the-right button that looks like a signature. If you're responding to a sentence with a colon in front of it, put two, a la ::. Regarding the infobox, I really feel there's some really hardcore well-made infoboxes out there, and it would behoove you to go and research those instead of re-inventing the wheel. --[[User:Jason Scott|Jason Scott]] ([[User talk:Jason Scott|talk]]) 03:36, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
:: Do we really need a hardcore infobox (they can get quite complicated), when something simple like what Andy is proposing would be a good way to get started? If so could you point at an example of one you particularly like? [[User:Edsu|Edsu]] ([[User talk:Edsu|talk]]) 08:13, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
: I added a PRONOM option to the template. But perhaps it belongs in a separate template, like what Wikipedia does with its [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Authority_control Authority Control template]?</div>Edsuhttp://fileformats.archiveteam.org/wiki/Template:FormatInfoTemplate:FormatInfo2012-11-01T08:33:24Z<p>Edsu: </p>
<hr />
<div><table class="infobox formatinfo" border="0" style="float: right; border: 1px solid #666666; max-width: 15%; background-color: #F8F8F8; padding: 0.25em; margin: 0.25em 1em;"><br />
{{FormatInfo/row|Name|{{{name|<includeonly>{{PAGENAME}}</includeonly>}}}}}<br />
{{#if:{{{extensions|}}}|<br />
{{FormatInfo/row|Extension(s)|{{{extensions}}}}}<br />
}}{{#if:{{{mimetypes|}}}|<br />
{{FormatInfo/row|MIME Type(s)|{{{mimetypes}}}}}<br />
}}{{#if:{{{fourccs|}}}|<br />
{{FormatInfo/row|FourCC|{{{fourccs}}}}}<br />
}}{{#if:{{{pronom|}}}|<br />
{{FormatInfo/row|PRONOM|[http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/PRONOM/{{{pronom}}} {{{pronom}}}]}}<br />
}}<br />
</table></div>Edsuhttp://fileformats.archiveteam.org/wiki/Template:FormatInfoTemplate:FormatInfo2012-11-01T08:32:44Z<p>Edsu: </p>
<hr />
<div><table class="infobox formatinfo" border="0" style="float: right; border: 1px solid #666666; max-width: 15%; background-color: #F8F8F8; padding: 0.25em; margin: 0.25em 1em;"><br />
{{FormatInfo/row|Name|{{{name|<includeonly>{{PAGENAME}}</includeonly>}}}}}<br />
{{#if:{{{extensions|}}}|<br />
{{FormatInfo/row|Extension(s)|{{{extensions}}}}}<br />
}}{{#if:{{{mimetypes|}}}|<br />
{{FormatInfo/row|MIME Type(s)|{{{mimetypes}}}}}<br />
}}{{#if:{{{fourccs|}}}|<br />
{{FormatInfo/row|FourCC|{{{fourccs}}}}}<br />
}}{{#if:{{{pronom|}}}|<br />
{{FormatInfo/row|PRONOM|[http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/PRONOM/{{{pronom}}} {{{pronom}}}}}]<br />
}}<br />
</table></div>Edsuhttp://fileformats.archiveteam.org/wiki/Template:FormatInfoTemplate:FormatInfo2012-11-01T08:31:54Z<p>Edsu: </p>
<hr />
<div><table class="infobox formatinfo" border="0" style="float: right; border: 1px solid #666666; max-width: 15%; background-color: #F8F8F8; padding: 0.25em; margin: 0.25em 1em;"><br />
{{FormatInfo/row|Name|{{{name|<includeonly>{{PAGENAME}}</includeonly>}}}}}<br />
{{#if:{{{extensions|}}}|<br />
{{FormatInfo/row|Extension(s)|{{{extensions}}}}}<br />
}}{{#if:{{{mimetypes|}}}|<br />
{{FormatInfo/row|MIME Type(s)|{{{mimetypes}}}}}<br />
}}{{#if:{{{fourccs|}}}|<br />
{{FormatInfo/row|FourCC|{{{fourccs}}}}}<br />
}}{{#if:{{{pronom|}}}|<br />
{{FormatInfo/row|PRONOM|[http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/PRONOM/{{{pronom}}} {{{pronom}}}}}<br />
}}<br />
</table></div>Edsuhttp://fileformats.archiveteam.org/wiki/User:AndyJackson/CIFUser:AndyJackson/CIF2012-11-01T08:29:45Z<p>Edsu: testing pronom id</p>
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<div>{{FormatInfo|name=CIF|extensions=cif|mimetypes=application/x-cif|pronom=fmt/334}}<br />
<br />
{|<br />
|[[File Formats]]<br />
| ><br />
|[[Electronic File Formats]]<br />
| ><br />
|[[Scientific Data formats]]<br />
| ><br />
|[[Chemical data]]<br />
| ><br />
| CIF<br />
|}<br />
<br />
CIF stands for Crystallographic Information File and also Crystallographic Information Framework. They are promoted and standardised by the [http://www.iucr.org/ International Union of Crystallography]. See [http://www.iucr.org/resources/cif Documentation and Resources for Users and Developers of CIF Software]. The Wikipedia entry is "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystallographic_Information_File Crystallographic Information File]".<br />
<br />
The [http://checkcif.iucr.org/ IUCr CheckCIF service] can be used to check the integrity and cosistency of crystal structure encodings in CIF. There are many CIF file examples in the [http://www.crystallography.net/result.php?journal=American+Mineralogist Crystallography Open Database].<br />
<br />
CIF files encoded with the current version should begin with the 11 bytes #\#CIF_1.1 immediately followed by whitespace.<br />
<br />
== This is a test page for trying out FormatInfo boxes ==<br />
Please place feedback on the [[User talk:AndyJackson/CIF]] page.</div>Edsuhttp://fileformats.archiveteam.org/wiki/Template:FormatInfoTemplate:FormatInfo2012-11-01T08:26:28Z<p>Edsu: </p>
<hr />
<div><table class="infobox formatinfo" border="0" style="float: right; border: 1px solid #666666; max-width: 15%; background-color: #F8F8F8; padding: 0.25em; margin: 0.25em 1em;"><br />
{{FormatInfo/row|Name|{{{name|<includeonly>{{PAGENAME}}</includeonly>}}}}}<br />
{{#if:{{{extensions|}}}|<br />
{{FormatInfo/row|Extension(s)|{{{extensions}}}}}<br />
}}{{#if:{{{mimetypes|}}}|<br />
{{FormatInfo/row|MIME Type(s)|{{{mimetypes}}}}}<br />
}}{{#if:{{{fourccs|}}}|<br />
{{FormatInfo/row|FourCC|{{{fourccs}}}}}<br />
}}{{#if:{{{pronom|}}}|<br />
{{FormatInfo/row|PRONOM|{{{pronom}}}}}<br />
}}<br />
</table></div>Edsuhttp://fileformats.archiveteam.org/wiki/User:Edsu/Template:SameAsUser:Edsu/Template:SameAs2012-11-01T08:18:34Z<p>Edsu: Created page with "{{Navbox | name = Authority control | bodyclass = hlist | group1 = Authority control | list1 = <includeonly>[[Category:Wikipedia articles with authority control inform..."</p>
<hr />
<div>{{Navbox<br />
<br />
| name = Authority control<br />
<br />
| bodyclass = hlist<br />
<br />
| group1 = [[Authority control]]<br />
| list1 = <includeonly>[[Category:Wikipedia articles with authority control information]]</includeonly><br />
*<!--<br />
*** WorldCat identities ***<br />
-->{{#if: {{{WORLDCATID|}}} | {{Authority control/WORLDCATID|{{{WORLDCATID}}}}} |<!--<br />
-->{{#if:{{{LCCN|}}} | {{Authority control/WORLDCAT-LCCN|{{{LCCN}}}}} |}} }}<br />
*<!--<br />
*** VIAF ***<br />
--> {{#if:{{{VIAF|}}} | {{Template:Authority control/VIAF|{{{VIAF}}}}} }}<br />
*<!--<br />
*** LCCN ***<br />
--> {{#if:{{{LCCN|}}} | {{Template:Authority control/LCCN|{{{LCCN}}}}} }}<br />
*<!--<br />
*** GND ***<br />
--> {{#if: {{{GND|}}} | {{Template:Authority control/GND|{{{GND}}}}} }}<br />
*<!--<br />
*** PND ***<br />
--> {{#if:{{{PND|}}} | {{Template:Authority control/PND|{{{PND}}}}} }}<!-- adds page to deprecated category --><br />
*<!--<br />
*** SELIBR i.e. LIBRIS ***<br />
--> {{#if:{{{SELIBR|}}}| {{Template:Authority control/SELIBR|{{{SELIBR}}}}} }}<br />
*<!--<br />
*** GKD ***<br />
--> {{#if:{{{GKD|}}}|{{Template:Authority control/GKD|{{{GKD}}}}} }}<!-- adds page to deprecated category --><br />
*<!--<br />
*** GKD-V1 ***<br />
--> {{#if:{{{GKD-V1|}}}|{{Template:Authority control/GKD-V1|{{{GKD-V1}}}}} }}<!-- adds page to deprecated category --><br />
*<!--<br />
*** SWD ***<br />
--> {{#if:{{{SWD|}}}|{{Template:Authority control/SWD|{{{SWD}}}}} }}<!-- adds page to "key words only" category, adds page to deprecated category --><br />
<br />
}}</div>Edsuhttp://fileformats.archiveteam.org/wiki/User:EdsuUser:Edsu2012-11-01T08:18:16Z<p>Edsu: /* Random Stuff */</p>
<hr />
<div>Hi, my name is Ed Summers. I work at the Library of Congress as a software developer. More about me can be found on my [http://inkdroid.org website] or by following me on [http://twitter.com/edsu Twitter].<br />
<br />
== Random Stuff ==<br />
<br />
* [[User:Edsu/Template:SameAs]]</div>Edsuhttp://fileformats.archiveteam.org/wiki/User_talk:AndyJackson/CIFUser talk:AndyJackson/CIF2012-11-01T08:13:23Z<p>Edsu: response about infoboxes</p>
<hr />
<div>About [[Template:FormatInfo]]...<br />
<br />
e.g. What fields are missing? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_file_format for ideas, but note that so many fields may be overkill.<br />
<br />
e.g. Should it be called ElectronicFormatInfo to avoid confusion?<br />
<br />
TODO<br />
* Add conditional logic so empty fields don't show up.<br />
* Probably remove direct link to IANA.<br />
<br />
Question 1 from CR: Is there a way to add signature information to your InfoBox style?<br />
<br />
Question 2 from CR: How do we best reflect similar and different information for different versions?<br />
<br />
(Sorry, I don't really know how I'm supposed to do "Talk" in this context! - CR)<br />
<br />
: To use talk in this context, put a colon (:) before your sentence and then type, ultimately clicking on that second-from-the-right button that looks like a signature. If you're responding to a sentence with a colon in front of it, put two, a la ::. Regarding the infobox, I really feel there's some really hardcore well-made infoboxes out there, and it would behoove you to go and research those instead of re-inventing the wheel. --[[User:Jason Scott|Jason Scott]] ([[User talk:Jason Scott|talk]]) 03:36, 1 November 2012 (UTC)<br />
:: Do we really need a hardcore infobox (they can get quite complicated), when something simple like what Andy is proposing would be a good way to get started? If so could you point at an example of one you particularly like? [[User:Edsu|Edsu]] ([[User talk:Edsu|talk]]) 08:13, 1 November 2012 (UTC)</div>Edsuhttp://fileformats.archiveteam.org/wiki/User:EdsuUser:Edsu2012-11-01T08:07:05Z<p>Edsu: /* Random Stuff */</p>
<hr />
<div>Hi, my name is Ed Summers. I work at the Library of Congress as a software developer. More about me can be found on my [http://inkdroid.org website] or by following me on [http://twitter.com/edsu Twitter].<br />
<br />
== Random Stuff ==<br />
<br />
* [[User:Edsu/FormatInfoTest]]</div>Edsuhttp://fileformats.archiveteam.org/wiki/User:EdsuUser:Edsu2012-11-01T08:06:40Z<p>Edsu: </p>
<hr />
<div>Hi, my name is Ed Summers. I work at the Library of Congress as a software developer. More about me can be found on my [http://inkdroid.org website] or by following me on [http://twitter.com/edsu Twitter].<br />
<br />
== Random Stuff ==<br />
<br />
* [[User:Edsu/infoboxtest]]</div>Edsuhttp://fileformats.archiveteam.org/wiki/User:EdsuUser:Edsu2012-11-01T07:49:49Z<p>Edsu: oh why not eh?</p>
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<div>Hi, my name is Ed Summers. I work at the Library of Congress as a software developer. More about me can be found on my [http://inkdroid.org website] or by following me on [http://twitter.com/edsu Twitter].</div>Edsuhttp://fileformats.archiveteam.org/wiki/Just_Solve_the_File_Format_Problem:Community_portalJust Solve the File Format Problem:Community portal2012-11-01T07:00:56Z<p>Edsu: added minor quibble about index.php</p>
<hr />
<div>== Time zone setting ==<br />
<br />
OK, to get this community portal going... is this the place to report issues with the wiki server configuration? Anyway, its time-zone setting seems to be a bit odd. It's set (apparently) to UTC + 4 hours (somewhere in Asia?), but it thinks it's in UTC, so if you set up your user configuration to adjust it to your local time zone, it ends up 4 hours off. I had to use "-08:00" to get my current EDT time. (That will change by one hour in a week or two when Daylight Saving Time ends.) [[User:Dan Tobias|Dan Tobias]] ([[User talk:Dan Tobias|talk]]) 22:23, 28 October 2012 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== index.php ==<br />
<br />
The Wiki is obviously working (yay), but it would be nice if the MediaWiki .htaccess file was [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL/Apache adjusted] so that the index.php disappears from wiki URLs.</div>Edsuhttp://fileformats.archiveteam.org/wiki/Talk:File_FormatsTalk:File Formats2012-11-01T06:56:17Z<p>Edsu: </p>
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<div>Just wondering why the scope of this work is going to include written and spoken human languages as well as computer programming languages. This seems to expand the work quite a bit, in ways that don't really fit the [[Editing]] guidelines, which say that "Ultimately, this wiki will be of the best use to people who either know something is a file format, or who are trying to determine what possible format this file could be in." [[User:Edsu|Edsu]] ([[User talk:Edsu|talk]]) 06:55, 1 November 2012 (UTC)</div>Edsuhttp://fileformats.archiveteam.org/wiki/Talk:File_FormatsTalk:File Formats2012-11-01T06:55:40Z<p>Edsu: just a quick observation based on an IRC discussion with SketchCow</p>
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<div>Just wondering why the scope of this work is going to include written and spoken human languages as well as computer programming languages. This seems to expand the work quite a bit, in ways that don't really fit the [Editing] guidelines, which say that "Ultimately, this wiki will be of the best use to people who either know something is a file format, or who are trying to determine what possible format this file could be in." [[User:Edsu|Edsu]] ([[User talk:Edsu|talk]]) 06:55, 1 November 2012 (UTC)</div>Edsu